One of the first questions people have when you say that you don’t think Jesus (Yehoshua) is YHWH, the creator of the world, is, “Well, then, who is he?” It’s an odd question, because he told us who he was.
Jesus Claimed to Be the Christ, the Son of the Living God
He said he was the Christ, the son of the living God.
Matthew 16:15“But what about you?” Jesus asked. “Who do you say I am?” 16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the son of the living God.” 17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah! For this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by My Father in heaven.
1 John 3:1 Behold what manner of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God. And that is what we are! The reason the world does not know us is that it did not know Him. 2 Beloved, we are now children of God, and what we will be has not yet been revealed. We know that when He appears, we will be like Him, for we will see Him as He is.
YHWH, the invisible creator, anoints people with His Holy Spirit to say and do things for Him. Those anointed people are called Messiahs, or Christs. It’s the same word as the word for anointed. If you claim to be anointed, by definition you’re saying YHWH anointed you, and so you can’t be YHWH. Furthermore, YHWH has never needed to anoint Himself with power or authority, He’s already the all-powerful creator, always has been and always will be.
But Jesus (Yehoshua) had to be anointed to do YHWH’s will.
Acts 10:38 You know of Jesus of Nazareth, how God anointed him with the Holy Spirit and with power, and how he went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him.
God was with Jesus (Yehoshua) because He had anointed Jesus with His Holy Spirit to tell him what to say and do. And Jesus (Yehoshua) said by himself he could do nothing, and it was the Father working miracles through him.
Just as Moses wasn’t YHWH when he performed miracles and prophesied, Jesus (Yehoshua) wasn’t YHWH when he performed miracles and prophesied. Working miracles, healing the sick, raising the dead, and forgiving people of sin doesn’t mean you’re YHWH.
Moses parted the sea, Moses healed people with the serpent he lifted up, and Elisha raised the dead in 2 Kings 4:20-37, Elijah raised the dead in 1 Kings 17:17-23 and Peter raised the dead in Acts 9:36-40.
When Jesus forgave people of their sins, he did so to prove that YHWH had given mankind authority to forgive sins. Here is a mix of the parallel accounts from Matthew 9 and Mark 2:
And, behold, they brought to him a man sick of the palsy, lying on a bed: and Jesus seeing their faith said unto the sick of the palsy; “Son, be of good cheer; thy sins be forgiven thee.”
But there were certain of the scribes sitting there, and reasoning in their hearts, Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? Who can forgive sins but God alone?
And Jesus knowing their thoughts said, Wherefore think ye evil in your hearts? 5 For whether is easier, to say, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and walk? 6 But that ye may know that the son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house. 7 And he arose, and departed to his house. 8 But when the multitudes saw it, they marvelled, and glorified God, which had given such power unto men.
The term “son of man” refers to mankind. Notice they didn’t glorify the son of man when the paralytic was healed, they glorified God who gave the power to men to forgive sins. People in the Tanakh (OT) often went to priests to get their sins forgiven. This was no different.
The Disciples Never Thought Jesus Was YHWH
We know the disciples all called Jesus (Yehoshua) the Christ (Messiah). They knew YHWH had anointed Jesus (Yehoshua) as their Messiah, but they never stopped worshiping the Father YHWH. When they prayed, they still prayed to YHWH, their Father.
Acts 4:24 And when they heard that, they lifted up their voice to God with one accord, and said, LORD, thou art God, which hast made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is: 25 Who by the mouth of Thy servant David hast said, Why did the heathen rage, and the people imagine vain things? 26 The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the LORD, and against His Christ. 27 For of a truth against Thy holy child Jesus, whom Thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together, 28 For to do whatsoever Thy hand and Thy counsel determined before to be done. 29 And now, LORD, behold their threatenings: and grant unto Thy servants, that with all boldness they may speak Thy word, 30 By stretching forth Thine hand to heal; and that signs and wonders may be done by the name of Thy holy child Jesus. 31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and they spake the word of God with boldness.
Jesus (Yehoshua) doesn’t have a child named “Jesus”, right? So obviously they were praying to the Father, who does have a child named Jesus (Yehoshua). They believed the Father was the creator of heaven, earth, sea, and all that in them is.
Now, some people bring up the verse in Colossians 1:16 about all things being created through Jesus (Yehoshua).
Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For through him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created through him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
The first thing to notice is that this isn’t referring to the Genesis act of creation. The Genesis act of creation is when the heavens and earth were created. In Colossians 1:16 the heavens and earth are already there, and what’s being created in them is thrones, dominions, principalities, and powers.
Revelation 3:12 The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will never again leave it. Upon him I will write the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God (the new Jerusalem that comes down out of heaven from my God), and my new name.
In the New Jerusalem, the new kingdom, there is a new hierarchy. Some people are going to become pillars in the New Jerusalem. Jesus (Yehoshua) will make them pillars. Remember that James, Peter, and John are called pillars in Galatians 2:9 because of their leadership. Jesus (Yehoshua) appointed them to be leaders over others in the new kingdom.
In Colossians, it’s talking about the men and women who are now “in Christ”. We’re the branches who are abiding in the vine that is Christ. Some are being appointed to be leaders over others. That is what it means that dominions are being created in Christ. Also the word “throne” means authority and once again we see Christ moving people onto the Father’s throne.
Revelation 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
This is what it means that thrones are being created “in Christ.” It has nothing to do with being the creator of the heavens and earth. For more information on what Colossians is talking about, see the following video series.
Jesus (Yehoshua) Claimed to be a Man
Jesus (Yehoshua) called himself the “son of man” which is a reference to being a man. Numbers 23:19 says God is not a “son of man,” and in some translations it’s even translated as “God is not human” since that’s what “son of man” means. Jesus (Yehoshua) called himself the “son of God,” and so do we. It’s a spiritual sonship and you can’t be your own Father. Jesus (Yehoshua) claimed that he had to overcome (Revelation 3:21). However we know YHWH doesn’t have to overcome anything, as He can’t be tempted (James 1:13). Jesus (Yehoshua) was tempted as we are temped (Luke 4:2, Hebrews 2:18, 4:15).
The Primal Adam
The Primal Adam article gets into this more in-depth, but it may be that the first Adam (the Primal Adam) didn’t sin and that spirit may have been what incarnated or reincarnated into Jesus’s (Yehoshua’s) flesh. The Primal Adam was the image of God, and Philippians 2 says Jesus (Yehoshua) was the “form” or image of God. But if reincarnation is true, when we reincarnate we don’t remember anything. So even if that was the case, he was still a man like us. Some gnostic sects suggest that “the Christ” came upon him at his baptism. Of course “Christ” means “anointing” and it seems like that’s when he got anointed by YHWH with His Holy Spirit as a “child of God.”
Epiphanius wrote about the Ebionites in his work referred to as the Panarion. There was probably not a person named Ebion (The word Ebionites comes from the term for “the poor”), but regardless he refers to an “Ebion” as their leader.
“But I have already said how each of them palms off something different about Christ. Ebion himself did at one time, by saying that he originated as a mere man from sexual intercourse. But at other times the Ebionites who derive from him say that Christ has a heavenly power from God, ‘the Son,’ and that the Son puts Adam on and takes him off when convenient. By the power of God I have refuted their various opinions.” Panarion 34:6 Ebionites
That seems to be a reference to “the Son” being the Primal Adam, only-begotten son, that can put on “adam” meaning mankind, or human flesh.
According to Epiphanius the Ebionites Gospel said Jesus (Yehoshua) was begotten on the day of his baptism.
“‘When the people had been baptized Jesus came also and was baptized of John. And as he came up out of the water the heavens were opened, and he saw the Holy Spirit in the form of a dove which descended and entered into him. And (there came) a voice from heaven saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in thee I am well pleased, and again, This day have I begotten thee. And straightway a great light shone round about the place. Seeing this,’ it says, ‘John said unto him, Who art thou, Lord? And again (there came) a voice to him from heaven, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” Panarion 13:7 Ebionites
I think he was likely born with the Primal Adam spirit inside of him (but did not remember any of the spirit’s past), and then at his baptism he got anointed from the Father. Perhaps he remembered some things after the anointing. YHWH probably spoke to him in dreams a lot.
If we do reincarnate, ask yourself are you your spirit that leaves or are you this body you’re in currently? Jesus (Yehoshua) was the body (AKA soul: a soul is a body with spirit), that the Primal Adam Spirit may have been inhabiting.
Even if that is the case, the Primal Adam is in the image or form of YHWH, which by definition means that he was not YHWH. He was made to look like YHWH, like a mirror image. But that’s the point, He was the image, the reflection, not the original.
For more information on the bible verses that seem to say Jesus (Yehoshua) was the creator, this very long video shows how they all refer to things that could be said about us. Since we know we’re not YHWH, it doesn’t make Jesus (Yehoshua) YHWH either. The short Too Long Didn’t Watch version of the earlier 4.5 hr one is below.
Virgin Birth Written Into Scriptures
It’s likely Mary was not a virgin when she got pregnant with Jesus (Yehoshua). The word “virgin” should not have been used in Isaiah 7:14. The NIV version is below:
Isaiah 7:13 Then Isaiah said, “Hear now, you house of David! Is it not enough to try the patience of humans? Will you try the patience of my God also? 14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel. 15 He will be eating curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right, 16 for before the boy knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right, the land of the two kings you dread will be laid waste. 17 The Lord will bring on you and on your people and on the house of your father a time unlike any since Ephraim broke away from Judah—he will bring the king of Assyria.”
Maiden Not Virgin
The Hebrew word for “virgin” is Strongs’ 1330. bethulah but the word used in Isaiah 7:14 is Strongs’ 5959. almah which means “maiden” or “young girl” and does not mean “virgin”. It’s only translated as “virgin” one time and that’s because people are putting their virgin-birth beliefs into the translations rather than reading what the text says.
Isaiah’s Prophecy Fulfilled for King Ahaz
Even ignoring that, we know that this text was fulfilled during King Ahaz’s reign or else Isaiah was a false prophet when he said this would be a sign to Ahaz. For if King Ahaz was dead when the scripture was fulfilled, it would not have been a sign to King Ahaz as Isaiah prophesied that it would be. The choices are:
- Isaiah was a false prophet because the sign was not meant for King Ahaz
- Isaiah was a false prophet because the sign was meant for King Ahaz and was not fulfilled before he died
- The sign was to King Ahaz, and was fulfilled, so Isaiah was a true prophet
Hopefully we can all agree that Isaiah was a true prophet, and thus the sign was fulfilled during the reign of King Ahaz. There was a child born and even though he was not born of a virgin, the Jews believe him to be the fulfillment of these scriptures due to the fact that he fulfilled them.
They were not looking for a virgin to give birth and so we should not be looking for a virgin to give birth. If you think that a virgin had to give birth to God to fulfill these scriptures, then you have to accept the fact that the scripture was a sign to King Ahaz, also, in a form of dual fulfillment, so you have God coming down to earth 2 times. Do you believe that a virgin gave birth to God two times? If not and you still believe that there had to be a virgin birth then understand you have to say Isaiah was a false prophet for he clearly said this would be a sign to King Ahaz.
Here is a little snippet from an answer to the question concerning this scripture on hermeneutics.stackexchange.com.
…King Ahaz didn’t need a sign with regard to a future Messiah hundreds of years, hence. He needed an immediate sign that he would survive the day. The sign God promised was that there would be someone in the besieged community with the confidence and faith in God’s salvation and protection that she chose the name for her son, ‘God is with us’ i.e. ‘Emmanuel.’ People who are besieged do not normally reflect such positive attitude; knowing that at least one of his subjects believed that God would get them through this difficult time was the reassurance that Ahaz needed.
In fact, the sign was fulfilled and Ahaz saved. In the next two verses, Isaiah tells Ahaz he won’t have to wait long for military victory after receiving the sign:
‘[The baby] shall eat curds and honey by the time he knows how to refuse the evil and choose the good. For before the child knows how to refuse the evil and choose the good, the land before whose two kings you are in dread will be deserted.’ (Isaiah 7:15-16).
In the next chapter, Isaiah identifies himself as this baby’s father and tells us the result for the kingdom:
‘3 And I went to the prophetess, and she conceived and bore a son. Then the Lord said to me, Name him Maher-shalal-hash-baz; 4 for before the child knows how to call ‘My father’ or ‘My mother,’ the wealth of Damascus and the spoil of Samaria will be carried away by the king of Assyria.’ (Isaiah 8:3-4).
Thus, the real sign to King Ahaz is that Isaiah’s child will be born quickly and before he matures (knowing the difference between good and evil and father and mother) the nations who threaten the Kingdom of Judea will be defeated. Interestingly, Isaiah’s children are specifically referred to as a ‘signs’ from God.
“Behold I and the children whom the Lord has given me are for signs and wonders in Israel.” Isaiah 8:18
King Ahaz was told to trust in God for assistance and to ask for a sign as proof that his enemies would be defeated. He is told that the sign will be the birth of a child from the young woman who will call the child (Emmanuel –עמנואל). Although this name mean ‘God is with us’ it does not mean that the child will be divine. It is very common for biblical personality to have names that include God and part of their name. For example (Daniel –דניאל) means ‘God is my Judge.’
You may also enjoy Kel from The Trinity Delusion website’s information on these passages linked to below:
Kel’s video on the subject:
We Are Born of Virgin Flesh Spiritually Speaking
When we die to our old lives we’re repenting of those past sins, and behaviors. Because of our repentance, YHWH washes us clean.
Isaiah 1:15 And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood. 16 Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil; 17 Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow. 18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith YHWH: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool. 19 If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land: 20 But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of YHWH hath spoken it
It is as if we are virgin flesh. It’s likely that this was where the idea of being “born again of a virgin” came from. But over time, men made doctrines about original sin, the virgin birth, and immaculate conception, etc.
Seeing as how people need to try to twist Isaiah to say that Jesus (Yehoshua) was going to be born of a virgin, it’s hard to believe it’s literally accurate. It could be true, it just seems unlikely. And I think we have a right to be skeptical concerning that.
Why Did Jesus (Yehoshua) Come?
He Didn’t Come To Pay For Your Sin
Some people think Jesus (Yehoshua) came to be a blood sacrifice. But the bible says people are judged by their works. Many Christians will come in that day and say, “Lord, Lord,” and he will ask them, “Why do you call me, ‘Lord,’ and don’t do what I say? Depart from me you who work lawlessness.” He tells the people (who are obviously Christians since no one else would call him ‘Lord.’) to depart from him if they were sinning (for sin is lawlessness). He doesn’t care if they said the sinner’s prayer and believe he’s their “lord,” he cares if they stopped sinning or not. He separates the sheep and goats based on their works too.
Jesus Came to Teach & Free Us
Luke 4:18 The Spirit of YHWH is on me, because He has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim deliverance to the captives and recovery of sight to the blind, to release the oppressed, 19 to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.
He said those who sin are slaves to sin, and he came to free us from that slavery.
John 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; 32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. 33 They answered him, We be Abraham’s seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free? 34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the slave of sin. 35 And the slave abideth not in the house for ever: but the son abideth ever. 36 If the son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
The words he taught were not his own, he was commanded on what to say from the Father. If we listen to YHWH’s prophet, and do what he said to do, we will be set free. We’ll be able to stop sinning and no longer be slaves to sin.
Who you obey, that is your “lord.” If you obey sin, sin is your “lord,” which is why Jesus (Yehoshua) asks the people practicing lawlessness why they called him “Lord” but didn’t do what he said to do. We can’t serve two masters.